77 – CTT Pilot Special – Who Will Reign Supreme!

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CTT-Monster-Badge-HangoutWith a fist full of pilots on the table our ragtag panel of adventurers start off an epic journey of discovery:

Will Gill be sucked into the void of bad bandwidth, will one of our guests just make it onto the show in time, will Bob and J-Dean shut-up enough to let others talk. You be the judge!

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Another fun Hangout this week with J-Dean, Bonnie, Ken, Bob, Gil & Stephanie

Post Factum:

Bob intro’s the show & J-Dean gives a background for the show which brings up:

The guys are joined by:

These are the Six shows they picked to watch:

  • Bosch – Amazon Prime – 1st//2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 8.4 – 2538 users
  • Crisis – NBC – 1st/2014 – IMDB: 7.4 – 1936 users
  • Mozart in the Jungle – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.9 – 442 users
  • The After – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.7 – 4960 users
  • Fat Tony & Co – Nine Network – 1 season – IMDB: 7.0 – 116 users
  • Inside No. 9 – BBC Two – 1 season – 2nd/2015 – IMDB: 8.2 – 831 users

First Up:

  • Bosch – Amazon Prime – 1st//2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 8.4 – 2538 users

Bob leads with the look of the show:

Then Ken, a fan of the novels, leads the way into the translation from the book & they talk about:

Bob he was disappointed to not have more episodes he wanted more – his standard for a successful pilot & J-Dean continues to talk about the acting:

  • Actor: Titus Welliver
  • Lost – ABC – 6 seasons – IMDB: 8.6 – 271 700 users
  • The Good Wife – CBS – 5 seasons – 6th/2014 – IMDB: 8.2 – 29 600 users
  • Sons Of Anarchy – FX – 6 seasons – 7th/2014 – IMDB: 8.8 – 103 000 users

Also mentioned:

  • Mob City – TNT – 1 season – IMDB: 7.7 – 4129 users
  • It’s not flashy like CSI – CBS – 14 seasons – 15th/2014 – IMDB: 7.9 – 55 200 users
  • Or (ECC: NCIS – CBS – 11 seasons – 12th/2014 – IMDB: 8.1 – 59 300 users – not CSIS)
  • Director: Jim McKay who also worked on
  • Law & Order: SVU – NBC – 14 seasons – 15th/2014 – IMDB: 8.1 – 38 200 users
  • The Good Wife – CBS – 5 seasons – 6th/2014 – IMDB: 8.2 – 29 600 users
  • Treme – HBO – 4 seasons – IMDB: 8.1 – 9114 users
  • Writer/Producer: Eric Overmyer
  • The Wire – HBO – 5 seasons – IMDB: 9.4 – 109 300 users
  • Treme – HBO – 4 seasons – IMDB: 8.1 – 9114 users

On to the other characters:

(Blog Bonus: Connelly dropped this on his website – “I can tell you this – the first season will be the pilot and nine more episodes. The season will draw from City of Bones, The Concrete Blonde and Echo Park.”)

The guys keep talking about the interesting cast:

J-Dean continues:

Also mentioned:

Then Bob asks Bonnie her thoughts & the gang talks about content delivery challenges over the border which brings up:

(Blog Bonus: There will be a new player in Canada)

Then “allegedly” they talk about “allegedly” gaming the system & the problems with CAN vs US funds, CC’s & Bank accounts

(Blog Bonus: Check out Amazon’s IMDB Poll about their new series)

Amazon Pilot Results:

  • Bosch – 4.7 / 5 – 10671 reviews – Picked Up
  • Which is probably a 1/10 ratio of reviews to watchers
  • Best Bob quote – “Beyond A La Carte TV”

Then J-Dean talks about the two Amazon pilots they didn’t watch:

Gil adds some comments from the ether:

QFG & QFL: Who was the weakest actor?

  • Bob says the Lieutenant was “boring & pat.”
  • J-Dean & Ken disagree & felt she played against Trope

Which also brings up:

Ratings Bob – 4.2 / Ken – 4.6 / J-Dean – 4.0

also squeezed in:

Next Up:

  • Mozart in the Jungle – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.9 – 442 users

The gang starts the conversation about what the show could become:

  • J-Dean calls it the replacement for Girls – HBO – 4 seasons – 5th/2015 – IMDB: 7.5 – 33 100 users
  • Bob call it the replacement for Sex in the City – HBO – 6 seasons + 2 movies – IMDB: 6.8 – 59 500 users
  • The Smart New York vs the Desperate New York

J-Dean continues with a background:

Also talked about:

The part where the guys talk about the Cool kids packaging of the show & the suspiciously high ratings

Also mentioned:

Amazon Pilot Results:

  •   Mozart in the Jungle- 4.4 / 5 – 3500 reviews – Picked Up

Ken has a great new descriptor for this show & shows like it – “Social Fantasy – or – So-Fan”

Ratings: J-Dean – 3.6 / Bob – 3.7 – 3.8

There’s a long part in here where J-Dean talks about getting ruthless in his ratings – from now on

Also mentioned:

Next Up:

  • Fat Tony & Co. – Nine Network – 1 season – IMDB: 7.0 – 116 users

J-Dean guides the folks into the “history” of the show:

J-Dean’s Underbelly Timeline by Historical Era:

A dirtier, cheesier version of:

  • The Sopranos – HBO – 6 seasons – IMDB: 9.3 – 124 400 users

Also talked about:

The part where the guys talk about the Heavy Cheese Factors & the assumption of knowledge which brings up some critiques:

  • Cartoony & Over use of slow motion & low budget lighting
  • Dick Tracy – 1990 – IMDB: 6.1 – 40 800 users

Which reminds Ken of an old lighting saying “When in doubt scoop it out” – All that & it still grew on Ken & it makes Bob think of:

Then they get into comparing countries:

also talked about:

Ratings: J-Dean – 3.5 / Bob – 3.3 / Ken – 3.2 – 3.3

Next Bonnie signs up for Amazon Prime while they are recording & that brings up:

(Blog Bonus: Portlandia’s take on Dr. C)

Next up:

  • Crisis – NBC – 1st/2014 – IMDB: 7.4 – 1936 users

Bob takes the opening salvo & is not fan – “been done before & better” & J-Dean thinks it’s “a TV studio’s packaged product – it looks good on paper” & then he gives the rundown:

Which sends J-Dean into swooning mode over:

  • Actor: Gillian Anderson from
  • The Fall – BBC Two – 1 season – 2nd/2014 – IMDB: 8.1 – 8708 users
  • X-Files – Fox – 9 seasons + 2 movies – IMDB: 8.8 – 92 600 users
  • Hannibal – NBC – 2 seasons – IMDB: 8.5 – 68 500 users

And the villain of the show:

The part where Bob disappoints J-Dean, Ken excites him & then J-Dean shares his desire to touch the hand that touched Gillian Anderson which awkwardly segues into comparisons:

  • Prison Break – Fox – 4 seasons – IMDB: 8.6 – 210 500 users
  • Breakout Kings – A&E – 2 seasons – IMDB: 7.3 – 10 400 users
  • Created by Writer/Producer/Director: Rand Ravich
  • Life – NBC – 2 seasons – IMDB: 8.3 – 25 300 users
  • Some neat threads & twists & Ken nails it with “cast the widest net & write to the audience”

Ratings: J-Dean – 3.7 / Bob – 3.3

Quickly they move into:

  • The After – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.7 – 4960 users

Bob opens with the mystery of it all:

  • Is it Lost?
  • Is it about the Apocalypse?
  • Is it a terrorist show?
  • Bob & Ken call BS on the lack of blood in several places where it was needed

Ken continues with a giant spoiler alert & he breaks down the hooks:

Then Bam!:

  • Ken thinks Alien? Or what ever?
  • Bob & J-Dean think Demon?

J-Dean jumps in to describe the 8 leads:

(Blog Bonus: Rather than Link to (too many) articles about all the little twists & turns – We suggest you just check out this search on Reddit)

Amazon Pilot Results:

  • The After – 3.9 / 5 – 11000 reviews – Picked Up
  • Over 2000 bad reviews

Then the gang gets into the twists on character & their theories for what the “Big Event” was

  • QFL: What Happened? Aliens? Terrorism? Asteroid? Robots? What do you think happened?

Bob loves this one pilot out of all the bunch & Ken’s rhetorical of the night “You love being confused don’t ya Bob” then they get into some of the things that bother them:

  • J-Dean wishes they would of stayed & fought at the house & maybe get some supplies together then he drops his line of the night “Stay with the wine!”

Bonnie jumps in adding “It’s sounds like an episode of…

  • The Outer Limits(1963) – ABC – 2 seasons – IMDB: 8.2 – 3138 users
  • The Outer Limits(1995) – Showtime/Sci Fi – 7 seasons – IMDB: 7.8 – 6802 users
  • Or ,Ken adds, The Twilight Zone(1959) – CBS – 5 seasons – IMDB: 8.9 – 27 600 users
  • (ECC: Specifically episode about the Ballerina, Solder, Bagpiper,  Clown & a Hobo trapped together – This is from The Twilight Zone Series)
  • S03E14 – Five Characters in Search of an Exit

Then Stephanie M. Scott from Wildfire Effect drops in to talk about the 6th show as J-Dean adds that the show reminds him of:

Which brings up some thematic similarities with:

Then the panel gets into casting:

Which brings up:

One of Bob’s favourite scenes i s French’s audition – “Ok you just give me a cold reading and a little less accent”

Also mentioned:

Next they talk about the various representations/reversals of the roles each character is playing which brings up:

Ratings: Bob – 4.2 – 4.3 / J-Dean – 4.0 / Ken – 3.8 – 3.9

QFL: Where are they going? Is this the ending or the beginning?

The part where J-Dean compares:

  • Crisis is a traditional Plot as Story – cliched as played & The After brings all the elements of Story but only hints at plot
  • Interpretive TV

Finally the gang heads into:

  • Inside No. 9 – BBC Two – 1 season – 2nd/2015 – IMDB: 8.2 – 831 users

Bob dives in with a description:

(Blog Bonus: A review of Season 1 – Ep’s 1-3)

Stephanie is the first to wade in & She went in blind:

  • Sardines – http://www.wikihow.com/Play-Sardines
  • Twilight Zone(1985) – CBS – 3 seasons – IMDB: 7.8 – 3915 users
  • Funny, dramatic but disappointing that these actors/characters are only one offs.

Ken segues right into the dark heart of it all:

  • The show deadpan drops that Dad is a ….?
  • Bob’s line of the night “It’s Very British, Very Very British”

The gang laughs UNCOMFORTABLY about the whole reveal of that horrible fact then J-Dean breaks it down:

Ken jumps in to mention one of the lead actors is from:

  • The IT Crowd – Channel 4 – 4 seasons + 1 special – IMDB: 8.5 – 53 900 users
  • (ECC: Actor: Katherine Parkinson )
  • Steve Pemberton is from
  • Whitechapel – ITV – 4 seasons – IMDB: 8.0 – 4569 users

QFG: Do most BBC comedies feel like stage plays to you?

Mentioned along the way:

Ken WINS pull of the night with:

  • UK’s – Steptoe & Son – BBC 1 – 8 seasons + 2 specials – IMDB: 8.2 – 1000 users
  • US’s – Sanford & Son – NBC –  6 seasons – IMDB: 8.0 – 3358 users

The gang continues to talk about the nature of UK TV & the way the show peels the onion:

Ratings: Bob – 4.0 – 4.1 / J-Dean – 4.1 / Ken – 4.0 – 4.1 / Stephanie – 3.7

Also mentioned:

  • Bob & J-Dean give it an extra point for being a one off
  • Ken mentions his favourite scene – “I love Rachel uh Rebecca”
  • The writing was so solid to pull it off
  • Continuum – Showcase – 2 seasons – 3rd/2014 – IMDB: 7.9 – 30 600 users

The part where J-Dean talks about how shows like this make TV better as awhile by challenging what we are used to:

  • Patterns/Tropes in TV
  • Single investment shows like
  • Night Gallery – NBC – 3 seasons – IMDB: 8.0 – 2123 users
  • The Twilight Zone(1959) – CBS – 5 seasons – IMDB: 8.9 – 27 600 users
  • Ken adds that Book Twists are more effective than TV/Movie twists & Bob responds that there was no way you could have predicted the ending twist on
  • Game Of Thrones –  HBO – 4 seasons – 5th/2015 – 6th/2016 – IMDB: 9.5 – 549 100 users
  • & Breaking Bad achieved excitement & surprise every season
  • Conversely, The Walking Dead – No real surprises after 2nd season

Our Top three shows:

  • Bosch – Amazon Prime – 1st//2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 8.4 – 2538 users
  • The After – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.7 – 4960 users
  • Inside No. 9 – BBC Two – 1 season – 2nd/2015 – IMDB: 8.2 – 831 users

QFG & QFL: As a Pilot which show best achieves the excitement of “I want to know what’s next!”?

  • J-Dean’s Choice: The After
  • Ken’s Choice: Bosch
  • Stephanie’s Choice: Inside No 9 (Maybe The After)
  • Bonnie’s Choice: Inside No 9 (Maybe The After)
  • Bob’s Choice: The After
  • Gil’s Choice: Bosch

The Clear Winners (In order):

  • The After – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.7 – 4960 users
  • Inside No. 9 – BBC Two – 1 season – 2nd/2015 – IMDB: 8.2 – 831 users
  • Bosch – Amazon Prime – 1st//2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 8.4 – 2538 users
  • Mozart in the Jungle – Amazon Prime – 1st/2014 – IMDB(Pilot): 7.9 – 442 users
  • Fat Tony & Co – Nine Network – 1 season – IMDB: 7.0 – 116 users
  • Crisis – NBC – 1st/2014 – IMDB: 7.4 – 1936 users

Gil’s  – Ratings:

  • Bosch – 2014 – 4.1
  • Mozart in the Jungle – 2014 – 3.5
  • Crisis – 2014 – 3.0
  • Fat Tony and Co – 2014 – 3.0

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